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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 12 nov 2010 17:09    Onderwerp: Algemene wet (on)gelijke behandeling Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Dear forum members,
I have gathered from another forum (SOS-papa) that the traditional pro-female and specifically pro-mother bias that is evident in family court decisions in the Netherlands has at times been challenged by certain fathers. However, the (appeal) court has apparently stated that there is actually a legal basis for the bias, namely the Algemene wet gelijke behandeling (http://www.cgb.nl/artikel/algemene-wet-gelijke-behandeling-awgb), which states in Article 1b) that there shall be no discrimination on the basis of, inter alia, gender, whilst Article 2b) conveniently states that the law does not apply when it is a matter of protection of a woman, and particularly a pregnant woman or a mother.

I gather that this is the basis on which divorced women in general, and mothers in particular, are not only awarded the primary physical custody of the children in most cases (i.e. it is legal to presume the children are better off with the mother, even without examining the circumstances before jumping to said conclusion) but are also in the highly entitled position of more or less consistently receiving the court's explicit blessing ("she needs some more [unspecified length of] time to be ready") not to to have to work at all - or at least not more than part-time - for typically 12 years, sometimes longer. The jurisprudence bears this out. I don't have the reference numbers to hand just at the moment, but it seems clear that in cases where there is a role reversal, i.e. a man has been a househusband and consequently out of the workforce for e.g. ca. 10 years, he will be, by contrast, expected to fairly quickly find work (apparently he doesn't need an unspecified length of time to feel ready) and the court will order a tapering-off of the partneralimentatie he will be paid with one to three years. A court-ordered self-sufficiency timeframe such as this for a woman is, to my knowledge, unheard of.

My question is this - how can this law on equal treatment with its clear gaping hole that legally sanctions such pro-female/mother and anti-male/father bias be compatible with Article 14 ECHR in combination with Article 8 ECHR, and further Article 1.2 of Protocol 12 ECHR, which the Netherlands has ratified and which stipulates:

Article 1 - General prohibition of discrimination
1. The enjoyment of any right set forth by law shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.

2. No one shall be discriminated against by any public authority on any ground such as those mentioned in paragraph 1.

Has anyone challenged the incompatibilty?

Protocol 12 ECHR entered into force in the Netherlands as of 1.4.2005, but I do not notice an equality of treatment in family court decisions as of that date, especially not in terms of the differing ways in which men and women are expected to perform gainful employment, and not in terms of physical custody issues.

Although the wet voortgezet ouderschap en zorgvuldige scheiding has some nice words in it, it seems to have been rather carefully crafted with words such as "gelijkwaardig" rather than starting with a rebuttable presumption of exactly 50/50 shared parenting time (cf. the Belgian legal reform of 2006). So far the new law seems to not to have brought much in the way of improvement for fathers wishing to continue to be highly involved with bringing up their children. In fact a number of rechtbanken and Gerechtshoven seem quite cynically to regard the new law merely as window dressing and rewording with more "trendy" words and go on to use the old terminology, stating that the term "omgang" will be used but "verdeling van de verzorging- en opvoedingstaken" should be understood, whilst proceeding to issue court orders which contain the same old anti-father substance as before the law was changed.

Once again, I welcome discussion in Dutch and/or English.
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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 12 nov 2010 23:47    Onderwerp: Re: Algemene wet (on)gelijke behandeling Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

cricketfan schreef:
My question is this - how can this law on equal treatment with its clear gaping hole that legally sanctions such pro-female/mother and anti-male/father bias be compatible with Article 14 ECHR in combination with Article 8 ECHR, and further Article 1.2 of Protocol 12 ECHR, which the Netherlands has ratified

Art. 2 lid 2 sub b Awgb only states that this law's prohibition of unequal treatment on the ground of gender does not apply in cases concerning the protection of the woman, in particular in relation to pregnancy and motherhood. This article does not nullify the protection of art. 1 Gw and the articles you mention. Furthermore, both art. 1 Gw and the ECHR obviously permit special treatment on the ground of objective biological differences between men and women, such as the capacity to become pregnant.

In any event, the Awgb plays no role in family law, see art. 5 Awgb. Art. 2 lid 2 sub b Awgb cannot possibly be a basis for justifying a pro-mother bias in family court decisions.

Such a pro-mother bias may certainly exist (I don't have any data), but you won't find it back in the (written) law. Family law in many situations attributes discretionary power to the judge, so as long as judges are not free from gender preconceptions (e.g. due to the world in which they grew up), some bias will probably exist.
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BerichtGeplaatst: do 17 mrt 2011 18:38    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

I hope the following may be of any use?

http://jure.nl/ba7155
LJN BA 7155
http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/resultpage.aspx?snelzoeken=true&collection=rnl&querypage=../zoeken/zoeken.asp&searchtype=ljn&ljn=BA7155

Quote:
"... Verzoek van vader tot ondertoezichtstelling kind (7 jaar) in verband met niet nakomen van omgangsregeling. Ondertoezichtstelling uitgesproken omdat geestelijke belangen en gezondheid kind ernstig worden bedreigd, aangezien sprake is van oudervervreemding/ouderverstoting en aangezien de strijd tussen de ouders voortduurt en zal blijven voortduren en moeder het kind informeert op een manier die kind schade toebrengt. ..."

In the Netherlands PAS is considered to be a form of (psychological) child-abuse, sometimes referred to as 'loyaliteitsmisbruik' (translate: abuse of loyalty).

Another interesting link, perhaps:
"... 75% are mothers as against 25% of men who alienate. ..."
http://www.parental-alienation.info/publications/05-paralisynwhathelegproshokno.htm
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