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BerichtGeplaatst: za 30 okt 2004 17:26    Onderwerp: Recht op privacy in VS? Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Aangezien komend college over de doodstraf gaat, ben ik hier en daar wat gaan lezen...

Is het niet volslagen bizar dat death row inmates van de staten Florida en Texas met naam, toenaam en *foto* op internet staan?!

Ze zullen dan wel niet veel meer aan privacy hebben, maar toch...
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BerichtGeplaatst: za 30 okt 2004 17:27    Onderwerp: Re: Recht op privacy in VS? Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

MiriamvL schreef:
Aangezien komend college over de doodstraf gaat, ben ik hier en daar wat gaan lezen...

Is het niet volslagen bizar dat death row inmates van de staten Florida en Texas met naam, toenaam en *foto* op internet staan?!

Ze zullen dan wel niet veel meer aan privacy hebben, maar toch...


Links:
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http://www.dc.state.fl.us/activeinmates/deathrowroster.asp
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BerichtGeplaatst: za 30 okt 2004 19:32    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

In Amerika is dat sowieso gewoon heel anders geregeld. Daar mag iedere verdachte gewoon met naam en toenaam en foto op tv worden vermeld. Beetje belachelijk, maar goed dat vind ik het hele rechtssysteem daar...... daar kan je op oude topics wel wat over terugvinden denk ik.. Cool Laughing Is de hele death row uberhaupt niet bizar..... Rolling Eyes
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BerichtGeplaatst: zo 31 okt 2004 22:27    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Voor de mensen die de achtergronden van het Amerikaanse "capital punishment" systeem niet kennen enige voor en tegen argumenten op een rijtje gezet.

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Deterrence
Society has always used punishment to discourage would-be criminals from unlawful action. Since society has the highest interest in preventing murder, it should use the strongest punishment available to deter murder, and that is the death penalty. If murderers are sentenced to death and executed, potential murderers will think twice before killing for fear of losing their own life.
For years, criminologists analyzed murder rates to see if they fluctuated with the likelihood of convicted murderers being executed, but the results were inconclusive. Then in 1973 Isaac Ehrlich employed a new kind of analysis which produced results showing that for every inmate who was executed, 7 lives were spared because others were deterred from committing murder. Similar results have been produced by disciples of Ehrlich in follow-up studies.


Moreover, even if some studies regarding deterrence are inconclusive, that is only because the death penalty is rarely used and takes years before an execution is actually carried out. Punishments which are swift and sure are the best deterrent. The fact that some states or countries which do not use the death penalty have lower murder rates than jurisdictions which do is not evidence of the failure of deterrence. States with high murder rates would have even higher rates if they did not use the death penalty.

Ernest van den Haag, a Professor of Jurisprudence at Fordham University who has studied the question of deterrence closely, wrote: "Even though statistical demonstrations are not conclusive, and perhaps cannot be, capital punishment is likely to deter more than other punishments because people fear death more than anything else. They fear most death deliberately inflicted by law and scheduled by the courts. Whatever people fear most is likely to deter most. Hence, the threat of the death penalty may deter some murderers who otherwise might not have been deterred. And surely the death penalty is the only penalty that could deter prisoners already serving a life sentence and tempted to kill a guard, or offenders about to be arrested and facing a life sentence. Perhaps they will not be deterred. But they would certainly not be deterred by anything else. We owe all the protection we can give to law enforcers exposed to special risks."

Finally, the death penalty certainly "deters" the murderer who is executed. Strictly speaking, this is a form of incapacitation, similar to the way a robber put in prison is prevented from robbing on the streets. Vicious murderers must be killed to prevent them from murdering again, either in prison, or in society if they should get out. Both as a deterrent and as a form of permanent incapacitation, the death penalty helps to prevent future crime.

Retribution
When someone takes a life, the balance of justice is disturbed. Unless that balance is restored, society succumbs to a rule of violence. Only the taking of the murderer's life restores the balance and allows society to show convincingly that murder is an intolerable crime which will be punished in kind.
Retribution has its basis in religious values, which have historically maintained that it is proper to take an "eye for an eye" and a life for a life.

Although the victim and the victim's family cannot be restored to the status which preceded the murder, at least an execution brings closure to the murderer's crime (and closure to the ordeal for the victim's family) and ensures that the murderer will create no more victims.

For the most cruel and heinous crimes, the ones for which the death penalty is applied, offenders deserve the worst punishment under our system of law, and that is the death penalty. Any lesser punishment would undermine the value society places on protecting lives.

Robert Macy, District Attorney of Oklahoma City, described his concept of the need for retribution in one case: "In 1991, a young mother was rendered helpless and made to watch as her baby was executed. The mother was then mutilated and killed. The killer should not lie in some prison with three meals a day, clean sheets, cable TV, family visits and endless appeals. For justice to prevail, some killers just need to die."

Innocence
The death penalty alone imposes an irrevocable sentence. Once an inmate is executed, nothing can be done to make amends if a mistake has been made. There is considerable evidence that many mistakes have been made in sentencing people to death. Since 1973, at least 88 people have been released from death row after evidence of their innocence emerged. During the same period of time, over 650 people have been executed. Thus, for every seven people executed, we have found one person on death row who never should have been convicted. These statistics represent an intolerable risk of executing the innocent. If an automobile manufacturer operated with similar failure rates, it would be run out of business.

Our capital punishment system is unreliable. A recent study by Columbia University Law School found that two thirds of all capital trials contained serious errors. When the cases were retried, over 80% of the defendants were not sentenced to death and 7% were completely acquitted.

Many of the releases of innocent defendants from death row came about as a result of factors outside of the justice system. Recently, journalism students in Illinois were assigned to investigate the case of a man who was scheduled to be executed, after the system of appeals had rejected his legal claims. The students discovered that one witness had lied at the original trial, and they were able to find the true killer, who confessed to the crime on videotape. The innocent man who was released was very fortunate, but he was spared because of the informal efforts of concerned citizens, not because of the justice system.

In other cases, DNA testing has exonerated death row inmates. Here, too, the justice system had concluded that these defendants were guilty and deserving of the death penalty. DNA testing became available only in the early 1990s, due to advancements in science. If this testing had not been discovered until ten years later, many of these inmates would have been executed. And if DNA testing had been applied to earlier cases where inmates were executed in the 1970s and 80s, the odds are high that it would have proven that some of them were innocent as well.

Society takes many risks in which innocent lives can be lost. We build bridges, knowing that statistically some workers will be killed during construction; we take great precautions to reduce the number of unintended fatalities. But wrongful executions are a preventable risk. By substituting a sentence of life without parole, we meet society's needs of punishment and protection without running the risk of an erroneous and irrevocable punishment.

Arbitraries & Discrimination
Discretion has always been an essential part of our system of justice. No one expects the prosecutor to pursue every possible offense or punishment, nor do we expect the same sentence to be imposed just because two crimes appear similar. Each crime is unique, both because the circumstances of each victim are different and because each defendant is different. The U.S. Supreme Court has held that a mandatory death penalty which applied to everyone convicted of first degree murder would be unconstitutional. Hence, we must give prosecutors and juries some discretion.
In fact, more white people are executed in this country than black people. And even if blacks are disproportionately represented on death row, proportionately blacks commit more murders than whites. Moreover, the Supreme Court has rejected the use of statistical studies which claim racial bias as the sole reason for overturning a death sentence.

Even if the death penalty punishes some while sparing others, it does not follow that everyone should be spared. The guilty should still be punished appropriately, even if some do escape proper punishment unfairly. The death penalty should apply to killers of black people as well as to killers of whites. High paid, skillful lawyers should not be able to get some defendants off on technicalities. The existence of some systemic problems is no reason to abandon the whole death penalty system.


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Deterrence
Those who believe that deterrence justifies the execution of certain offenders bear the burden of proving that the death penalty is a deterrent. The overwhelming conclusion from years of deterrence studies is that the death penalty is, at best, no more of a deterrent than a sentence of life in prison. The Ehrlich studies have been widely discredited. In fact, some criminologists, such as William Bowers of Northeastern University, maintain that the death penalty has the opposite effect: that is, society is brutalized by the use of the death penalty, and this increases the likelihood of more murder. Even most supporters of the death penalty now place little or no weight on deterrence as a serious justification for its continued use.
States in the United States that do not employ the death penalty generally have lower murder rates than states that do. The same is true when the U.S. is compared to countries similar to it. The U.S., with the death penalty, has a higher murder rate than the countries of Europe or Canada, which do not use the death penalty.


The death penalty is not a deterrent because most people who commit murders either do not expect to be caught or do not carefully weigh the differences between a possible execution and life in prison before they act. Frequently, murders are committed in moments of passion or anger, or by criminals who are substance abusers and acted impulsively. As someone who presided over many of Texas's executions, former Texas Attorney General Jim Mattox has remarked, "It is my own experience that those executed in Texas were not deterred by the existence of the death penalty law. I think in most cases you'll find that the murder was committed under severe drug and alcohol abuse."

There is no conclusive proof that the death penalty acts as a better deterrent than the threat of life imprisonment. A survey of the former and present presidents of the country's top academic criminological societies found that 84% of these experts rejected the notion that research had demonstrated any deterrent effect from the death penalty .

Once in prison, those serving life sentences often settle into a routine and are less of a threat to commit violence than other prisoners. Moreover, most states now have a sentence of life without parole. Prisoners who are given this sentence will never be released. Thus, the safety of society can be assured without using the death penalty

Retribution
Retribution is another word for revenge. Although our first instinct may be to inflict immediate pain on someone who wrongs us, the standards of a mature society demand a more measured response.

The emotional impulse for revenge is not a sufficient justification for invoking a system of capital punishment, with all its accompanying problems and risks. Our laws and criminal justice system should lead us to higher principles that demonstrate a complete respect for life, even the life of a murderer. Encouraging our basest motives of revenge, which ends in another killing, extends the chain of violence. Allowing executions sanctions killing as a form of 'pay-back.'

Many victims' families denounce the use of the death penalty. Using an execution to try to right the wrong of their loss is an affront to them and only causes more pain. For example, Bud Welch's daughter, Julie, was killed in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. Although his first reaction was to wish that those who committed this terrible crime be killed, he ultimately realized that such killing "is simply vengeance; and it was vengeance that killed Julie.... Vengeance is a strong and natural emotion. But it has no place in our justice system."

The notion of an eye for an eye, or a life for a life, is a simplistic one which our society has never endorsed. We do not allow torturing the torturer, or raping the rapist. Taking the life of a murderer is a similarly disproportionate punishment, especially in light of the fact that the U.S. executes only a small percentage of those convicted of murder, and these defendants are typically not the worst offenders but merely the ones with the fewest resources to defend themselves.

Innocence
There is no proof that any innocent person has actually been executed since increased safeguards and appeals were added to our death penalty system in the 1970s. Even if such executions have occurred, they are very rare. Imprisoning innocent people is also wrong, but we cannot empty the prisons because of that minimal risk. If improvements are needed in the system of representation, or in the use of scientific evidence such as DNA testing, then those reforms should be instituted. However, the need for reform is not a reason to abolish the death penalty.
Besides, many of the claims of innocence by those who have been released from death row are actually based on legal technicalities. Just because someone's conviction is overturned years later and the prosecutor decides not to retry him, does not mean he is actually innocent.

If it can be shown that someone is innocent, surely a governor would grant clemency and spare the person. Hypothetical claims of innocence are usually just delaying tactics to put off the execution as long as possible. Given our thorough system of appeals through numerous state and federal courts, the execution of an innocent individual today is almost impossible. Even the theoretical execution of an innocent person can be justified because the death penalty saves lives by deterring other killings.

Arbitraries & Discrimination
In practice, the death penalty does not single out the worst offenders. Rather, it selects an arbitrary group based on such irrational factors as the quality of the defense counsel, the county in which the crime was committed, or the race of the defendant or victim.
Almost all defendants facing the death penalty cannot afford their own attorney. Hence, they are dependent on the quality of the lawyers assigned by the state, many of whom lack experience in capital cases or are so underpaid that they fail to investigate the case properly. A poorly represented defendant is much more likely to be convicted and given a death sentence.

With respect to race, studies have repeatedly shown that a death sentence is far more likely where a white person is murdered than where a black person is murdered. The death penalty is racially divisive because it appears to count white lives as more valuable than black lives. Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, 158 black defendants have been executed for the murder of a white victim, while only 11 white defendants have been executed for the murder of a black victim. Such racial disparities have existed over the history of the death penalty and appear to be largely intractable.

It is arbitrary when someone in one county or state receives the death penalty, but someone who commits a comparable crime in another county or state is given a life sentence. Prosecutors have enormous discretion about when to seek the death penalty and when to settle for a plea bargain. Often those who can only afford a minimal defense are selected for the death penalty. Until race and other arbitrary factors, like economics and geography, can be eliminated as a determinant of who lives and who dies, the death penalty must not be used.


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BerichtGeplaatst: ma 01 nov 2004 0:37    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Staan die innocence stukjes niet verkeerd om....??? Surprised
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BerichtGeplaatst: do 17 feb 2005 18:17    Onderwerp: death row Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

ik schrijf zelf met verschillende inmates in de VS , ook met mannen die op Death Row zitten. In oktober 2002 heb ik een penvriend op Death Row in Florida opgezocht.
(Florida State Prison)
En het is gewoon zo dat als je in de USA gevangen zit al je rechten komen te vervallen. Ook je recht op de privacy....
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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 18 feb 2005 14:51    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Ik las laatst iets raars in de krant! Ik weet niet meer precies hoe het zat, maar het was zoiets:
Er was een man ter dood veroordeeld, maar de staat waar hij was had de doodstraf al 45 jaar niet tenuitvoer gelegd. Deze man stelde eerst alles in het werk om zijn straf aan te vechten. Op een gegeven moment bedacht hij zich echter, en nam hij een andere advocaat, en vroeg de staat de straf tenuitvoer te leggen, naar eigen zeggen omdat hij dat wilde voor de nabestaanden en slachtoffers. Ook stopte hij alle appelprocedures e.d. die nog liepen. de staat ging hier braaf op in, en starte de procedure die moest leiden tot zijn dood. Toen kregen ze echter de getuigenis van een andere gevangene, die zei dat de man suicidaal was en dood wilde en daarom alle procedures had laten stoppen. Promt werd hem verteld dat ze hem niet ter dood zouden brengen, want ze gingen niet meewerken aan zelfdoding. De advocaat wil men aanklagen wegens het niet benutten van alle mogelijke manieren omde doodstraf te voorkomen/uit te stellen, en de man wordt onderzocht omdat men denkt dat hij niet toerekeningsvatbaar was toen hij de keuze maakte om af te zien van verder procederen...
Nou vraag ik je, willen ze zelf dood, en dan mag het niet meer!
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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 18 feb 2005 17:04    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Uiteraard niet, het moet wel een straf zijn... als je zelf wil is het geen straf meer...
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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 18 feb 2005 17:17    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Ik vind het belachelijk. Een getuige vindt dat de man suicidaal is en promt wordt de advocaat aangeklaagd? Ik dacht dat advocaten deden wat hun cliënten hen vragen, en niet wat er juridisch zoal denkbaar is.
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BerichtGeplaatst: zo 20 feb 2005 0:40    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

ik heb dat krantenartikel ook gelezen. Een andere reden voor verplichte vervolging van de advocaat en verder onderzoek, is dat iemand niet de doodstraf mag krijgen als hij krankzinning is. Hij heeft het recht op verdediging ed. Kan niet als hij krankzinnig. De Staat kan worden aangeklaagd als dit niet onomstotelijk vast is gesteld. Overigens verschilt dit per Staat, per Penal Law.
Volgens mij heeft Amnesty International ook veel documenten die over de doostraf in The States gaat en een andere interessante belichting is deze misschien: Tijdens een studietripje naar NY woonden we een zitting bij van een man die werd verdacht van moord. De zaak had in twee verschillende plaats kunnen vinden, maar er werd gekozen voor NY omdat daar de doodstraf kon worden ge-eist en in de andere staat niet. Hoewel de politiek er dus voor heeft gekozen de doodstraf niet meer op te nemen in de Penal Law in die betreffende Staat, politie/justitie in die Staat denken er vervolgens heel anders over..
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BerichtGeplaatst: di 22 feb 2005 21:08    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Vandaag op nu.nl:

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Hoofd wetenschappelijk bureau VVD pleit voor doodstraf

Uitgegeven: 22 februari 2005 07:54

DEN HAAG - De directeur van de Teldersstichting, het wetenschapelijk bureau van de VVD, pleit deze week in het blad Liberaal Reveil voor herinvoering van de doodstraf.

Het verbod op de doodstraf moet zo snel mogelijk worden geschrapt uit de grondwet, vindt P. van Schie. De straf moet in ieder geval gelden voor oorlogsmisdaden, terreurdaden, meervoudige moorden en bijzonder gruwelijke moorden.
De VVD wijst de oproep af, aldus Tweede-Kamerlid Griffith. Van Schie heeft het artikel geschreven op persoonlijke titel, zegt zij.


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BerichtGeplaatst: di 22 feb 2005 21:59    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Iedereen mag z'n persoonlijke overtuiging hebben en hij is nu eenmaal niet de enige in Nederland met het idee.
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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 25 feb 2005 14:37    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Hij is inderdaad niet de enige
Vandaag een poll op flaironline.nl:

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Er wordt weer veel over gesproken: de doodstraf. Vind jij dat dit weer ingevoerd moet worden in Nederland?
Ja, de straffen zijn nu veel te soft
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BerichtGeplaatst: vr 25 mrt 2005 21:08    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

Wat verwacht je in een land waar rechtspraak is gebaseerd op de mening van Jan Pet (jury-rechtspraak).

Ben blij dat we in Nederland professionele berechting hebben. Dat heet je in de Media in ieder geval Micheal J.
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BerichtGeplaatst: wo 31 aug 2016 8:25    Onderwerp: Reageer met quote Naar onder Naar boven

thanks for your help! it's very inportant for me! http://bigpaperwriter.com/blog/5-arguments-pro-and-con-of-death-penalty-you-should-think-of will give you 5 arguments of the death penalty!
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